What are you listening to?

Exactly how I feel about that garbage! God. So much bullshit. I also HATE 'straight-edge' bands. Not because I have anything against straight-edge (started as a punk movement - the whole Xs thing comes from getting Xs on your hands for being under 21 at a show and got used as a symbol when drug use got WAY too bad in the scene and people went edge as a statement), but they way they force it down my throat without knowing the history or the why.

I went to a show over the summer. Saw two songs by one 'edge' band in which they insulted me at least three times for not being edge and played the entire time with their backs to us - the whole freakin' band. On top of that, their music just wasn't good. The whole audience went outside and smoked after the set... We blasted punk from the van as a big SCREW YOU, YOUR MUSIC SUCKS.

Point is, it's offensive and ignorant to conduct yourself in the manner.

I'm listening to: Another episode of ATHF.

Oh, I know. I really hate what straight-edge has turned into as well. It is really bad over in Reno, they're more like just another pathetic street gang anymore than anything. When they go around with five guys jumping people for smoking and so forth... it is just ridiculous.

The Divine Conspiracy - Epica

Punk rockers seriously need to learn to chill, it's music not a battlefield. It's meant to bring people together not cause strife. This is why I don't listen to much punk.

Rising by the Yoshida brothers.

The Yoshida brothers are musical geniuses. They blended Japanese Folk music with modern styles. This stuff is music, a lot of bands out there could learn a thing or two from the Yoshida brothers.

Straight-Edge these days is the negation of punk, Hisoka. There is a lot of misunderstanding about punk itself, always has been really. Every *true* punk rocker I have ever known was nothing like that. Sure, they went against social norms and all that stuff usually, but none of them were the type to start fights with everyone just because they disagreed.

Octane Twisted - Porcupine Tree

Hisoka, it wasn't even a punk show; it was a metal show, so please, don't generalize like that. I am considered a punk rocker, and I don't need to chill. I'm very chill. I'm considered one of the most chill people around. As my best friend says, "You could tell her you just murdered someone and she'd just ask you if you wanted to smoke a cigarette." Not entirely true, but you see my point.

And Mel is correct. Punk is completely misunderstood even by most 'punk rockers'. Punk is a battlefield of sorts, but so is life. We believe in things and do stuff about it, just like everyone else does or should. But on that note, straight-edge is primarily a metal thing now... Well, no, 'metal-core', because that wasn't 'hardcore' and it wasn't 'metal'. It was that suck genre in between.

And if you had read it all the way through, the band was literally yelling insults at us.

"Burn"
by the Alkaline Trio

And, for the record, anything with the word 'core' in it these days sucks. Metalcore, Deathcore, Grindcore, 'Hardcore', Emocore... it is all trash. The only true hardcore still around are the few old bands and some post-rock groups that take influence from the original hardcore.

In general, punk is much more of a political-activitist type of battlefield. Per se... its more complex than that but still.

Tongue of Thorns - Agathodaimon

Alright I take that back, now I know why I don't listen to much western music period. The whole scene is pathetic doesn't matter what. Almost makes teen pop look good. People who say music sucks need to rethink their life over, every genre has it's merits, even teen pop.

Redemption- Gackt

I am not afraid to mention it but I never listened to Gackt before hearing this song on FFVII Dirge of Cerberus. Seriously man I was missing out, the bloody guy is a poet.

The whole scene? To pile up all of western music into an entire seen is quite rash. There is a lot of great music, you just have to dig for it.

Bring Me Victory - My Dying Bride

You have me mistaken good looking, it's not western music I have a problem with. I am actually a big fan, especially of anything with core in it....No it's the 'scene' you know elitist pricks who say music sucks. There is very few examples of bad music, music rarely sucks. It just isn't to your tastes that is all.

Eyes on Me- Faye Wong

Normally I dislike syrupy sweet tracks like this, maybe it's just because of FF8 I like it.

Ah, right. Yeah, the music elitists are terrible. I did indeed have you mistaken on that point, my apologies.

Summer's Envy - Woods of Ypres

Saying 'the scene' is still bad, because there is a different scene for every genre/culture/sub-culture. That's like saying Chinese and Korean music is the same thing. I don't know their 'genres' or styles or whatnot, not to sound ignorant, because I'm sure they have some of the same things we do and a bunch of their own styles and genres.

And I don't know that I agree with that. Music can suck. Have you ever heard something auto-tuned? Suck isn't the most eloquent way of putting it, but it amounts to it not being objectively good. Punk is not objectively talented in many cases, but I still like to listen to it. So, I think those are two separate cases.

And as Mel said, punk is a political/activist 'scene'. (Not that there isn't a bunch of different types of punk and overlapping sub cultures.) I went to a punk show three weeks ago. The crow bonded and screamed and cheered and sang to being 'Peace Punks'. So I don't know where you've come up with this 'chill out' stuff...

Anyway, listening to:
"Wet Leather"
by Woods of Ypres

Courtesy of Mel who is helping me to expand my musical knowledge currently.

They do, Raine. Die From Sorrow is a melodic death/power metal band from China. Only have an ep so far but its really good. I do love how Whispered are a "Samurai Metal" band and from Finland though. Course, as Jouni said, it started out due to his "Perversion for Japan" or something. Haha.

I do what I can, Raine.

Suicide Cargoload (Drag That Weight) - Woods of Ypres

You do well.

And yeah, see, I knew it. I just don't know the names of their genres. Haha.

"Love Love, Kiss Kiss"
by Alkaline Trio

The acoustic version. The cynicism/sarcasm in this song is wonderful.

Aw, thanks.

Shadegrown - Sentenced

I love Sentenced. I really do. Bunch of people might think they sucked after Amok, when Ville joined and they started using clean vocals and a lot of black humor... but those people are idiots.

Unfortunately, the world is full of them. Idiots, I mean.

"Never Die"
by Tiger Army

Indeed.

Noose - Sentenced

Speaking of the aforementioned black humor...

"In Bloom"
by Nirvana

Don't you dare judge me. Nirvana is far over-rated and my feelings toward grunge are less than pleasant, but I don't mind them once in awhile.

Also... shuffle. Sometimes it's the devil.

~laughs~

The Devil to Pay - Iced Earth

One of three songs about the battle of Gettysburg done by a guy (Jon Schaffer) who loves history and actually knew the material. Unlike most musicians who try writing stuff about war and fall flat on their faces. Really, the songs are a great tribute to all who died there.

Johnny Cash is allowed to sing about Gettysburg. Because Johnny Cash is allowed to sing about whatever the heck Johnny Cash wants to sing about. (Yes, I know, this great man is no longer in our presence. I still use the present tense, because he CAN do whatever he wants.)

And don't you laugh at me. >:[ I'll end you.

"Bales of Cocaine"
by Reverend Horton Heat

Well, yeah. I was refering to more recent artists who fail horribly at the subject. Hehe

So... what is that? Three beatings and two deaths now?

At Sixes and Sevens - Sirenia

Approximately.

"President of What?"
by Death Cab for Cutie

Haha.

Les Affres De La Cremation - Dark Sanctuary

Only song of them I have on the computer, sadly. But it is so amazing.

French confuses me. I know just enough to confuse me, if that makes sense haha. Actually, is that French?

Listening to:
Glee the show. So whatever songs they sing at any given time.

Dark Sanctuary are from France so, yeah, pretty sure it is french.

Thousand Swords - Whispered

I'm wondering why there is a Lady Gaga video in the related section for these guys... It doesn't make any sense at all. Stupid youtube.

It looks French, so I think so...

Also YouTube is stupid. It makes me angry and will possibly be the downfall of civilization.

Same thing, haha. But I have Social D playing in one ear. "Like the Outlaw".

Indeed. But it still remains a good way for me to investigate the sound of many bands so... double edged blade here. lol

Still listening to the same thing as well, its a decently long song. Friend can't listen to them because of the vocals sounding too much like a blood frenzied berserker... haha. It conflicts with his image of the cliche oh-so-noble and so-forth samurai.

I tried explaining that in combat most of them were the most brutal warriors around and that our modern perceptions of them are the stereotypes that came around after all the wars stopped (more or less) but... eh. Oh well. Hehe

Hammerfall - Destined For Glory

Oh goodness. Perception shouldn't be so narrow. And fair enough, it is a good way to discover music, but it is a terrible creation and is abused in my opinion.

"Just Lust"
by The Buzzcocks

Afterlife, Avenged Sevenfold

"Los Angeles is Burning"
by Bad Religion